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I saw your comment over on Al G.'s post and I just wanted to clarify that I was not really saying that individual liberties and community organizing are mutually exclusive. I was trying to point out that there were posts on that thread that seemed to exalt the tactic of community organizing as some end in and of itself ... to me, and to some extent as pointed out in your post, community organizing can be for ill or for good. And if civil liberties and constitutionally granted individual rights are not protected, then community organizing is not such a great thing. Anyway, welcome again and I enjoyed your post.